New Cascades Talgo

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ES44AC

What is your malfunction?
Maybe one of the designers owned a Winnebago and said Hmmm, lets build it looking like a Winnebago.:p
 

Jon Bentz

New Member
What's interesting is that this is nothing like the standard cab designs produced by Talgo. If you check out the Talgo website you'll see that they have two designs - one that kind of looks like a light rail car cab and the other like some of the most recent Japanese bullet train designs. It looks like Amtrak is the one responsible for the truck cab styling of the Oregon trains. Really just awful industrial design work. I'm an industrial designer myself and feel very qualified to be critical of this work.
 

p51

Marty, it runs on steam!
Today: "Ugly. Hate it!"
20-20 years from now: "I can't believe they scrapped them all, they should have kept one, it was a classic design!"
 

Sinamox

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20-20 years from now: "I can't believe they scrapped them all, they should have kept one, it was a classic design!"
So true. I’ll be out there chasing the last run too.
Really just awful industrial design work. I'm an industrial designer myself and feel very qualified to be critical of this work.
Jon, anyone with eyes is qualified to say it’s a bad design. You can just look at it and know it's not right A trained designer is at least able to understand why. I believe there are certain undeniable truths about mass and proportion in the human perspective. Civilization has long ago refined those but we continue to ignore them. Do they teach right and wrong in design school or is everything considered a mater of opinion?

Of all the things that have run on North American rails and been derided for their homeliness, I can think of nothing as bad as this. Now I’m not counting the shop special cabs that have appeared from time to time. I’m just talking about actual products designed and manufactured.
 
Yup, that's ugly.

I can only figure the nose is a replaceable crumple zone. Sure wish they could have used a more streamlined and pleasing Talgo cab unit.

Let's lease those in-storage Talgos and put 'em on some demonstration runs, like Seattle-Auburn-Yakima-Tricities!
 

NM_RailNut

Member
A replaceable crumple zone makes sense, but why let it be butt-ugly?? Even C&NW's "Crandall Cab" E-8B rebuilds looked better than this! I'll bet even the Talgo folks were thinking "they want us to build this??" when they got the design from Amtrak. Thank God the RailRunner trains look better than that...
 

al1218

New Member
I believe you can thank the loons at the FRA for the big nose, school-bus, _______(fill-in-the-blank) control cab on the new Talgo's. I think they should've just gone with a Cabbage, they look better.
As far as the Wisconsin Talgo's go, the last I read was that the state won't allow any money for even testing the trainsets for certification and without that they can't be sold.
 

Bill Anderson

Well-Known Member
Those cab units look like something from a kiddie cartoon series, I just cannot remember which one. Thomas the Tank Engine, maybe?
 




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